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Ladson’s inbox 3/22/13
We’re getting closer to Opening Day! Bill Ladson publishes what may be his last spring training mailbag late friday 3/22/13.
As always, I sometimes edit questions for clarity and answer here before reading Ladson’s response.
Q: Micah Owings is showing pretty impressive numbers in Spring Training. What are his chances of making the Opening Day roster, considering Roger Bernadina and Tyler Moore are also backup outfielders?
A: Zero, barring an injury this week. The Nats outfield has been set since mid last year. Micah Owings knows this but took the offer with the Nats presumably for two reasons: the team is expected to be good (and what veteran player doesn’t want to catch on with a first place team?) and the team is a bit thin on corner outfielder OF prospects in the higher minors. Looking at the current state of the minor league depth chart, it isn’t hard to see how a solid start in AAA would catapult Owings above Corey Brown into the #1 OF reserve spot (of course, Brown can play center, so it would likely depend on which OF was injured, but still). I like reclamation projects, and I like what we’ve seen out of Owings so far this spring. I’d like to see him make it back to the majors as a big bopper. Ladson agrees, though he says the team may promote him in May or June?? Who exactly is he to replace?
Q: Most of the Nationals’ starters are not showing good numbers in Spring Training. Should we be worried?
A: Nope. Rule number one with Spring Training; pay zero attention to the stats of any established Major Leaguer. They’re not pitching these games to try to get a win; they’re pitching to get ready for the season, to work on specific pitches, to work on location, etc. I once heard a story about Tom Glavine giving up something ridiculous like 8 runs in his final spring training outing and the press corps going nuts; turns out he was working on locating his change-up, and ONLY working on locating his change-up, so once the opposing team figured out what he was doing they started sitting on an outside change-up and tattooed him. This is exactly why you can’t trust stats from Florida. Ladson agrees.
Q: Do you think the bars that Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg have set for themselves this year will be too much for them to handle?
A: I’m not really aware of any “bars” either player has set; the only things I can think of are Strasburg saying he wants to be a “workhorse” and perhaps Harper saying he wants to hit 30 homers? It isn’t like they’ve thrown down the gauntlet and said they want to win MVPs, Cy Youngs, etc. Now the Press on the other hand; yes they’ve probably set the bar too high. But (especially with Harper) it isn’t hard to see this scenario; usually MVPs are the best players from the best teams. If the Nats end up being a playoff team, and Harper is our best player …. he’s going to be a leading MVP candidate. This doesn’t imply Harper is the best player in the league (that’s NOT the definition of the MVP and not how its generally voted), but it does mean he may be in the running. Ladson dismissed the question as well.
Q: What do you feel are the plans with Eury Perez this season and beyond?
A: First off, I’d say that Eury Perez really cost himself development time this year as a side-effect of playing for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic. The Nats demoted him while he was sitting on the bench for the D.R., and mentioned publically they were worried about his lack of work. I’d say that Perez needs another season proving himself at AAA before he really starts putting himself in the mix for a full time MLB spot. He put up great numbers last year; .314/.344/.361 between AA and AAA with 51 steals in 127 games. That’s classic leadoff/centerfielder stuff, or exactly what the team acquired in the off-season in Denard Span. In games so far this spring, Perez has just glided to 2nd base on steal attempts; he’s faster than nearly any player I can remember in a Nats uniform.
But the question is this; how does Perez fit in given that the Nats are committed to Span for at least 2013 and 2014 (it seems more and more likely we’ll be declining his 2015 option based on this paragraph), and considering that the team has rising stud Brian Goodwin who seems to be a similar player in a similar position (albeit with slightly less speed but significantly more power)? I’m beginning to think that the log-jam in the Nats outfield is going to eventually mean that Perez ends up being traded for an opportunity elsewhere. Ladson agrees with all of these points, also mentioning prospect Michael Taylor, who I always forget about.
Wow; short mailbag, only 4 questions.
Starting Pitching Quality in the WBC
I keep a little file, periodically updated, that keeps track of “Ace Starters” in the league. There’s usually right around 20 of them at any one time. There’s no hard and fast rule as to what defines an Ace; not every team has an Ace. Some teams have more than one Ace. Its essentially defined as a guy who, every time he goes to the hill, he is expected to win, a perennial Cy Young candidate, a guy who is acknowledged as being one of the best in the game.
Here’s my list of “Aces” in this league, right now; Strasburg, Gonzalez, Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Cueto, Wainwright, Lincecum, Cain, Kershaw, Greinke, Lester, Price, Sabathia, Dickey, Johnson, Verlander, Hernandez, Darvish and Weaver. Twenty guys, some arguable with poor 2012 performances (Lester, Lincecum, Johnson, Halladay), some arguable for possibly being one-year wonders (Dickey, Greinke, Gonzalez), but by and large a quick list of the 20 best starters in the league.
How many of these Aces are pitching in the 2013 WBC? TWO. That’s it. Gio Gonzalez and R.A. Dickey are starting for the US. Not one other US Ace is taking the hill for their country. The few foreign guys (Hernandez, Cueto and Darvish) aren’t pitching for their teams either for various reasons.
If you asked me to give you the 4 best US starters, right now, the four starters I’d throw in a World Baseball Classic to best represent this country, I’d probably go (in nearly this order) Verlander, Kershaw, Strasburg and maybe Cole Hamels. If you asked me the NEXT four guys i’d want on the bump i’d probably go Sabathia, Cain, Price and Lee. After that? I’d probably still take the likes of Halladay and Greinke before I got to Gonzalez or Dickey. And that’s only because of the poor 2012 showings by Lincecum, Lester and Johnson; if this was 2011, those three guys are absolutely in the mix for best arms in the league. So by rough estimates, we have perhaps the 14th and 15th best American starters going for us right now.
Who else does the US team have starting? Ryan Vogelsong and Derek Holland. Vogelsong is the 4th best starter ON HIS OWN TEAM, and Holland isn’t much further up on the Texas depth chart.
I’m enjoying the WBC, don’t get me wrong, but you can repeat this exercise for a number of the positional players on this roster too. Look at the post-season voting last year and look at who is playing on these teams. No Buster Posey, Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Andrew McCutchen, Josh Hamilton or Prince Fielder. There is only one player who got an NL Cy Young vote in 2012 participating (Fernando Rodney for the D.R.). I think this event needs its best players to play, and I think the league needs to come up with a way of making that happen. No more injury dispensations, no more excuses for not having the best, most marketable guys out there.
Why in the hell aren’t Trout and Harper playing for the team USA?? This is the best duo of young, marketable players to this this league since the 1998 home run derby. They’re on the cover of Men’s Health Magazine and Sports Illustrated in the last month. You use what you have and market the league on the backs of players like this. Look at the NBA; they market on top of their most recognizable names and they have grown because of it, from Michael Jordan to Kobe Bryant to LeBron James. Why MLB can’t seem to see the forest for the trees sometimes is just frustrating. The WBC is growing in popularity; its ratings in Japan eclipsed the TV ratings for the Olympics in that country, and the US games reportedly have gotten the highest ratings for a non-playoff game in TV history). Team USA needs to catch on.
Pitcher Wins on the Free Agency Market; an analysis
One of my pet projects of recent years has been to track “major” Starting Pitcher free agent contracts and then to do analysis of how they turned out, on a Dollar per win basis. This post is an analysis of this work along with some interesting conclusions to determine some of the “best” and “worst” free agent contracts ever awarded.
This is mostly an analysis of past performance; there’s plenty of pitchers right now on major contracts that are just too soon into the deal to really draw any conclusions. I’ve included in the spreadsheet all the major contracts signed this past off-season and will continue to do so if these guys get significant deals. But we’ll have to wait a year to see how the first year of the contracts play out. For all contracts that are in the middle of being played out, I’ve calculated how that contract is faring thus far.
Some caveats to the data: For ease of analysis, I depend on the Average Annual Value (AAV) of the contracts as opposed to trying to figure out exactly how many wins were earned in which year of a varying contract amount. Therefore (for example), Gio Gonzalez‘s contract may have only paid him $3.25M in 2012 but I’m using the full AAV of $8.4M for the purposes of the analysis (it would just be far too difficult to calculate each pitcher’s dollar per win on an annualized basis otherwise). Also, I focus on dollars per Win, despite the known limitations of the “Win” statistic. I have gone through and added in Quality Starts to the analysis, but that stat is also flawed in some respects (though it does do a pretty good job of indicating whether or not the starter has done his job). Unfortunately the $/QS doesn’t work out as nicely as $/Win, since Pitcher Wins are still so prevalent in our player analysis. I mean, after all, the goal of the game is to WIN the game, right?
Here’s a quick cut-n-paste from the spreadsheet (which is also available in the Links section to the right and on Google Docs) of some selected fields. See the Google xls for everything. Apologies if this doesn’t present well online. The table is listed in descending order of $/year AAV. Blanks in the Wins and $AAV per win indicate that the contract has yet to begin. I also threw in a couple of non-FA contracts at the end to show what a MLB-minimum successful starting pitcher looks like in comparison.
Last Name | First Name | Total Value (includes club options) | $/year AAV | Contract Term | Wins | $ AAV per win |
Clemens | Roger | $28,000,022 | $28,000,022 | 2007 | 6 | $4,666,670 |
Greinke | Zack | $147,000,000 | $24,500,000 | 2013-2018 | ||
Sabathia | C.C. | $122,000,000 | $24,400,000 | 2012-16 | 15 | $1,626,667 |
Lee | Cliff | $120,000,000 | $24,000,000 | 2011-15 | 23 | $2,086,957 |
Hamels | Cole | $144,000,000 | $24,000,000 | 2013-18 | ||
Sabathia | C.C. | $69,000,000 | $23,000,000 | 2009-11 | 59 | $1,169,492 |
Santana | Johan | $137,500,000 | $22,916,667 | 2008-13 | 46 | $2,989,130 |
Cain | Matt | $127,500,000 | $21,250,000 | 2012-17 | 16 | $1,328,125 |
Lincecum | Tim | $40,500,000 | $20,250,000 | 2012-13 | 10 | $2,025,000 |
Halladay | Roy | $60,000,000 | $20,000,000 | 2011-13 | 30 | $1,333,333 |
Darvish | Yu | $111,700,000 | $18,616,667 | 2012-18 | 16 | $1,163,542 |
Zambrano | Carlos | $91,500,000 | $18,300,000 | 2008-12 | 50 | $1,830,000 |
Zito | Barry | $126,000,000 | $18,000,000 | 2007-13 | 58 | $1,862,069 |
Clemens | Roger | $18,000,000 | $18,000,000 | 2005 | 13 | $1,384,615 |
Peavy | Jake | $52,000,000 | $17,333,333 | 2010-12 | 25 | $2,080,000 |
Matsuzaka | Daisuke | $103,000,000 | $17,166,667 | 2007-12 | 50 | $2,060,000 |
Beckett | Josh | $68,000,000 | $17,000,000 | 2011-14 | 20 | $1,700,000 |
Weaver | Jered | $85,000,000 | $17,000,000 | 2012-16 | 20 | $850,000 |
Lackey | John | $82,500,000 | $16,500,000 | 2010-14 | 26 | $1,903,846 |
Burnett | A.J. | $82,500,000 | $16,500,000 | 2009-13 | 50 | $1,320,000 |
Verlander | Justin | $80,000,000 | $16,000,000 | 2010-14 | 59 | $813,559 |
Sanchez | Anibal | $80,000,000 | $16,000,000 | 2013-17 | ||
Schmidt | Jason | $47,000,000 | $15,666,667 | 2007-09 | 3 | $15,666,667 |
Hernandez | Felix | $78,000,000 | $15,600,000 | 2010-14 | 40 | $1,170,000 |
Wilson | C.J. | $77,500,000 | $15,500,000 | 2012-16 | 13 | $1,192,308 |
Hampton | Mike | $121,000,000 | $15,125,000 | 2001-08 | 56 | $2,160,714 |
Brown | Kevin | $105,000,000 | $15,000,000 | 1999-05 | 72 | $1,458,333 |
Lowe | Derek | $60,000,000 | $15,000,000 | 2009-12 | 49 | $1,224,490 |
Hamels | Cole | $15,000,000 | $15,000,000 | 2012 | 17 | $882,353 |
Kuroda | Hiroki | $15,000,000 | $15,000,000 | 2013 | ||
Mussina | Mike | $88,500,000 | $14,750,000 | 2001-06 | 92 | $961,957 |
Oswalt | Roy | $73,000,000 | $14,600,000 | 2007-11 | 61 | $1,196,721 |
Buehrle | Mark | $58,000,000 | $14,500,000 | 2012-15 | 13 | $1,115,385 |
Peavy | Jake | $29,000,000 | $14,500,000 | 2013-14 | ||
Buehrle | Mark | $56,000,000 | $14,000,000 | 2008-11 | 54 | $1,037,037 |
Martinez | Pedro | $54,000,000 | $13,500,000 | 2005-08 | 32 | $1,687,500 |
Halladay | Roy | $40,000,000 | $13,333,333 | 2008-10 | 58 | $689,655 |
Martinez | Pedro | $92,000,000 | $13,142,857 | 1998-04 | 117 | $786,325 |
Danks | Jon | 65,000,000 | $13,000,000 | 2012-15 | 3 | $4,333,333 |
Park | Chan Ho | $65,000,000 | $13,000,000 | 2002-06 | 33 | $1,969,697 |
Dempster | Ryan | $52,000,000 | $13,000,000 | 2009-12 | 48 | $1,083,333 |
Haren | Dan | $13,000,000 | $13,000,000 | 2013 | ||
Jackson | Edwin | $52,000,000 | $13,000,000 | 2013-16 | ||
Colon | Bartolo | $51,000,000 | $12,750,000 | 2004-07 | 46 | $1,108,696 |
Carpenter | Chris | $50,800,000 | $12,700,000 | 2008-11 | 44 | $1,154,545 |
Arroyo | Bronson | $25,000,000 | $12,500,000 | 2009-10 | 32 | $781,250 |
Dickey | R.A. | $25,000,000 | $12,500,000 | 2013-14 | ||
Perez | Oliver | 36,000,000 | $12,000,000 | 2009-11 | 3 | $12,000,000 |
Silva | Carlos | $48,000,000 | $12,000,000 | 2008-12 | 15 | $4,000,000 |
Millwood | Kevin | $60,000,000 | $12,000,000 | 2006-10 | 52 | $1,153,846 |
Kuroda | Hiroki | $12,000,000 | $12,000,000 | 2011 | 13 | $923,077 |
Pettitte | Andy | $12,000,000 | $12,000,000 | 2013 | ||
Haren | Dan | $47,750,000 | $11,937,500 | 2009-12 | 54 | $884,259 |
Kuroda | Hiroki | $35,300,000 | $11,766,667 | 2008-10 | 28 | $1,260,714 |
Arroyo | Bronson | $35,000,000 | $11,666,667 | 2011-13 | 21 | $1,666,667 |
Lincecum | Tim | $23,000,000 | $11,500,000 | 2010-11 | 29 | $793,103 |
Mussina | Mike | $22,141,452 | $11,070,726 | 2007-08 | 31 | $714,240 |
Dreifort | Darren | $55,000,000 | $11,000,000 | 2001-05 | 9 | $6,111,111 |
Meche | Gil | $55,000,000 | $11,000,000 | 2007-11 | 29 | $1,896,552 |
Lilly | Ted | $33,000,000 | $11,000,000 | 2011-13 | 17 | $1,294,118 |
Jackson | Edwin | $11,000,000 | $11,000,000 | 2012 | 10 | $1,100,000 |
Harrison | Matt | $55,000,000 | $11,000,000 | 2013-17 | ||
Carpenter | Chris | $21,000,000 | $10,500,000 | 2012-13 | 0 | (0 wins) |
Ryu | Hyun-Jin | $61,700,000 | $10,283,333 | 2013-18 | ||
Neagle | Denny | $51,000,000 | $10,200,000 | 2001-05 | 19 | $2,684,211 |
Lilly | Ted | $40,000,000 | $10,000,000 | 2007-10 | 54 | $740,741 |
Darvish | Yu | $60,000,000 | $10,000,000 | 2012-18 | 16 | $625,000 |
Kuroda | Hiroki | $10,000,000 | $10,000,000 | 2012 | 16 | $625,000 |
Pavano | Carl | $39,950,000 | $9,987,500 | 2005-08 | 9 | $4,438,889 |
Wolf | Randy | $29,750,000 | $9,916,667 | 2010-12 | 31 | $959,677 |
Johnson | Josh | $39,000,000 | $9,750,000 | 2010-13 | 22 | $1,329,545 |
Greinke | Zack | $38,000,000 | $9,500,000 | 2009-12 | 67 | $567,164 |
Washburn | Jarrod | $37,000,000 | $9,250,000 | 2006-09 | 32 | $1,156,250 |
Igawa | Kei | $46,000,000 | $9,200,000 | 2007-11 | 2 | $23,000,000 |
Cain | Matt | $27,250,000 | $9,083,333 | 2010-12 | 41 | $664,634 |
Lowe | Derek | $36,000,000 | $9,000,000 | 2005-08 | 54 | $666,667 |
Matsuzaka | Daisuke | $52,000,000 | $8,666,667 | 2007-12 | 50 | $1,040,000 |
Beckett | Josh | $42,000,000 | $8,400,000 | 2007-10 | 55 | $610,909 |
Gonzalez | Gio | $42,000,000 | $8,400,000 | 2012-16 | 21 | $400,000 |
Guthrie | Jeremy | $25,000,000 | $8,333,333 | 2013-16 | ||
Ortiz | Russ | $33,000,000 | $8,250,000 | 2005-08 | 7 | $4,714,286 |
Schmidt | Jason | $40,000,000 | $8,000,000 | 2002-06 | 71 | $563,380 |
Buchholz | Clay | $30,000,000 | $7,500,000 | 2012-15 | 11 | $681,818 |
Lester | Jon | $43,000,000 | $7,166,667 | 2009-14 | 58 | $494,253 |
Hamels | Cole | $20,500,000 | $6,833,333 | 2009-11 | 36 | $569,444 |
Wainwright | Adam | $36,000,000 | $6,000,000 | 2008-13 | 64 | $468,750 |
Ryu | Hyun-Jin | $36,000,000 | $6,000,000 | 2013-18 | ||
Webb | Brandon | $28,000,000 | $5,600,000 | 2006-10 | 56 | $500,000 |
Lee | Cliff | $23,000,000 | $4,600,000 | 2006-10 | 67 | $343,284 |
Igawa | Kei | $20,000,000 | $4,000,000 | 2007-11 | 2 | $10,000,000 |
Jimenez | Ubaldo | $23,750,000 | $3,958,333 | 2009-14 | 53 | $298,742 |
Jimenez | Ubaldo | $10,000,000 | $2,500,000 | 2009-12 | 53 | $188,679 |
Price | David | $9,750,000 | $1,950,000 | 2007-11 | 41 | $237,805 |
Buchholz | Clay | $555,000 | $555,000 | 2011 | 6 | $92,500 |
Buchholz | Clay | $443,000 | $443,000 | 2010 | 17 | $26,059 |
Here’s some interesting facts, that come out of this analysis (some of these points can also be seen at the amazing Cots Salary database, now at Baseball Prospectus, and are confirmed in my spreadsheet tracking the same):
- Largest total Starting Pitcher Contract ever signed: Felix Hernandez‘s brand new 7 year, $175M extension, beating out the previous record-holder CC Sabathia (7yrs/$161M in 2009). Zack Greinke‘s just signed 6yr/$147M would be the 2nd biggest ever signed, and Cole Hamel‘s 6yr/$144M contract the third. Will our own Stephen Strasburg come close to broaching these limits when he hits the FA market? We’ll see.
- Largest Single-Season AAV: Roger Clemen‘s 1yr/$28M deal in 2007. The next closest are Hernandez’s $25M/year, Greinke $24.5M/year and Sabathia’s $24.4M figures.
(A couple of quick caveats to the above lists: CC Sabathia subseqently opted out of his 7/161 deal, so it basically got turned into a 3yr/$69M deal. And, techncially Hernandez’s deal ripped up the last two years of his previous deal to replace it with the 7/175 deal; lots of people are looking at the new deal as a 5 year extension with an even higher AAV. I don’t see it the same way; I see it as a replacement of the existing contract years).
What are some of the worst deals ever made?
- Worst Ever Starting Pitcher Contract: Kei Igawa‘s 2007 deal with the Yankees, which was 5yrs/$20M but included a $26M posting fee, is the worst $AAV per Win contract ever signed. Igawa went 2-4 in 13 starts over the life of this 5 year deal, equating to $23M per win for his team. He spent the last two seasons of this contract buried in AAA.
- Worst non-Posting fee Starting Pitcher Contract: Jason Schmidt‘s 3yr/$47M contract with the Dodgers. Schmidt made 10 total starts and went 3-6, equating to $15.6M per win.
Other names on the “Worst Starting Pitcher Contract” category include Oliver Perez ($12M/win), Darren Dreifort (6.1M/win), Russ Ortiz (4.7M/win), Carl Pavano ($4.4M/win) and Carlos Silva ($4M/win). Most of these contracts are well known to baseball fans and are commonly thrown around when talking about the worst historical FA contracts.
How about some of the “Best” Contracts ever signed? Lots of players have signed small one year deals and won double-digit games, so those really cannot count. Starting with an arbitrary floor of a $50M free agent contract, here’s the best value FA contracts ever signed:
- Pedro Martinez: 7yr/$92M, during which he went 117-37 for the Red Sox for a $786k/win total.
- Justin Verlander: He’s in the middle of a 5yr/$80M contract and for the first 3 years he’s 59-22 for $813k/win.
- Mike Mussina went 92-53 in his 6yr/$88.5M contract for $961k/win.
Jered Weaver and Yu Darvish deserve some mention here; they’re both in the first year of $50M+ contracts and are easily earning their pay in terms of $/win.
So what does this data mean? Here’s some conclusions.
- It used to indicate that if you got about one (1) pitcher Win per million dollars spent on a player in the Free Agent market that you were doing great. Look at our own Edwin Jackson in 2012: we signed him for $11M, he went 10-11 for us, equating to $1.1M/win. Good value frankly.
- If you’re getting anything between $1.25M and $1.5M/win, there may be some complaints about the value of the contract. Not always, but most of the time it indicates that either the pitcher is underperforming or is overpaid.
- Anything over $2M/win is usually considered a bust. Nearly every contract in the $2M/win in AAV and above has been mentioned and criticized as being a bad contract; the list of “worst ever” above starts at $4M/win and goes higher.
- If you pay a starter anything more than about $18M/season, you’re really going to have a hard time getting value back. There’s only been a handful of 20-game winners over the past 5 years or so, but paying a starter $24M like Greinke is getting is almost certainly going to be regretted at some point. An injury or a lost season completely blows the $AAV/win.
- It illustrates more clearly than anywhere else the value of a top-notch, pre-Arbitration starter. Take Clay Buchholz for example; in 2010 he was 17-7 while earning the league minimum of $443k. That equates to $26,059/win on the same staff that was busy paying Daisuke Matsuzaka $2.06M per win (when adding in the $52M posting fee). Buchholz has struggled since then, but teams that depend on these pre-arb starters (Tampa, Oakland, Washington to a certain extent) save untold amounts of FA dollars as a result.
- Lastly, and this is the hard part, this analysis is getting nearly impossible to do across baseball eras because of the general inflation of contracts and especially because of the bonanza of FA dollars being thrown out there right now. Pedro Martinez at the top of his game signed a 7yr/$92M deal. Imagine what he’d get today? It could be twice that. He was coming off a 1997 season in which he struck out 305 batters, had a 1.90 ERA, a 219 ERA+ and won the Cy Young award. So perhaps going forward a general $1.25M/win is a more accurate barometer for whether or not a pitcher has “earned” his contract. But there’s no easy way to draw a line in the free agency sand and say that before yearX $1M/win was a good barometer while after yearY $1.25M/win is a good barometer.
- A caveat to the $1M/win benchmark; there are different standards for obtaining wins. If you sign a $3M 1 year deal and then subsequently go 3-12 with a 6.00 ERA … while it looks like you reached the $1m/win threshold in reality you were, well, awful. This analysis only really holds up for major FA contracts paying in excess of $10M/year.
Lastly, for comparison purposes, here’s the above analysis looks for the 2012 Nationals pitching staff. Keep in mind that the $/win figures for pre-arbitration pitchers vastly skew the analysis.
Last Name | First Name | Total Value (includes club options) | $/year AAV | Starts | QS | Wins | $ per QS | $ AAV per win |
Strasburg | Steven | $15,100,000 | $3,775,000 | 45 | 28 | 21 | $539,286 | $719,048 |
Gonzalez | Gio | $42,000,000 | $8,400,000 | 32 | 22 | 21 | $381,818 | $400,000 |
Zimmermann | Jordan | $2,300,000 | $2,300,000 | 32 | 24 | 12 | $95,833 | $191,667 |
Jackson | Edwin | $11,000,000 | $11,000,000 | 31 | 17 | 10 | $647,059 | $1,100,000 |
Wang | Chien-Ming | $4,000,000 | $4,000,000 | 5 | 0 | 2 | #DIV/0! | $2,000,000 |
Detwiler | Ross | $485,000 | $485,000 | 27 | 12 | 10 | $40,417 | $48,500 |
Lannan | John | $5,000,000 | $5,000,000 | 6 | 2 | 4 | $2,500,000 | $1,250,000 |
Maya | Yunesky | $8,000,000 | $2,000,000 | 10 | 1 | 1 | $6,000,000 | $6,000,000 |
The counting figures for Starts/QS/Wins/Losses are cumulative for the life of whatever contract the player is on. So for Strasburg, he was basically in the 4th year of his original 4 year deal, hence the 45 total starts in those 4 years. For guys like Zimmermann and Detwiler, the analysis is just for 2012 since they were playing on one-year deals.
The 2012 Nats have $AAV per win values all over the road:
- Detwiler‘s $48k per win in 2012 is an amazing bargain; he got 10 wins while pitching for basically the MLB minimum. And, Zimmermann‘s 12-win season while on a first-year Arbitration salary also represented about 20% of what those wins would have cost on the FA market.
- Jackson produced almost exactly at the expectations for a FA starter; $11M contract, 10 wins, and $1.1M per win. In 2013 if we get 12-13 wins from Dan Haren, we’ll be doing alright.
- Lannan provided just on the borderline of bust production, as you’d expect for someone who got paid $5M to give the team 6 starts.
- Wang: $4M salary, 5 starts, zero quality starts, 2 wins and a $2M/win price tag. Yes; he was a bust.
- Lastly Mr. Yunesky Maya. The team has now paid him $6M over three years. In that time he’s gotten 10 MLB starts and has produced exactly one Quality start and one win. That’s $6M the team has paid for each win, in the range for one of the worst dollar-per-win contracts ever signed. Of course, the Nats only signed him for $8M (not the $46M contract Igawa got), so the downside is limited. But it does illustrated just how badly this deal has gone for the team.
Observations of Nats from early televised ST games
I have to admit, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the two Nats spring training games that managed to find their way to MLB Network TV thus far (NatsJournal live blogs for the 2/23 game here and 2/25 game here). Not so much because we got to see Harper, Strasburg and Gonzalez … we all know what these guys can do. No; I’m interested in seeing the young guys, the guys who we rarely get to see play. This year’s spring training is a week longer, meaning that there’s going to be an awful lot of playing time devoted to these AA and AAA guys who got spring training invites, and that’s many more looks at the likes of Matt Skole, Chris Marrero, and Carlos Rivero.
It is also good to see some of these arm prospects that we’ve been hearing so much about, and it has been instructive to see some of the minor league veterans invited to spring training. Some observations on our guys (arms then bats):
- Stephen Strasburg‘s first 7 pitches on 2/23/13; all fastballs, all 96-97. Clearly he was working on his spots. I’m not sure he threw a change-up the entire outing. As is always the case in spring training, guys work on pitches, work on location, and stats are meaningless. He gave up a wind-aided homer to a guy who’s hit like 1 his entire career; no cause for concern.
- Gio Gonzalez was amped up; he over threw his fastball in the first and (if you believe the broadcast) reached 97 in the second. He struggled with his release point clearly. However, his curve looked in mid-season form, breaking sharply and serving as a nice out pitch against the few regulars that the Mets did bat on 2/25/13.
- Bill Bray looked, well, awful. His mechanics were always odd-looking, but he got hit hard by the Mets lineup of rag-tag regulars. Not a good start for Bray’s spring.
- Cole Kimball back on the hill …. where was his fastball? It generally was coming in 90-91. That’s clearly a step back from 2011, when he was averaging 93 and peaking at 95.8. Lets hope this is Kimball working himself in slowly and not a permament velocity loss from his shoulder surgery. Either way, he’s not going to displace his RHP competitors for the bullpen spots unless he can hump it up a bit more.
- Pat McCoy was scheduled to throw 2/23, and I would really have liked to see him, but the Mets were ahead in the 9th and didn’t need to bat. I’m convinced that McCoy could be a sleeper candidate for a left-handed specialist in this organization, if the cattle-call of guys we’ve signed to ML deals falls through.
- Ross Ohlendorf put in two clean innings, but I don’t like what I see from him necessarily. Not a lot of velocity (90-91) but a big guy (6’4″) who gets downward plane on his fastball. But he just seems very “hittable.” His numbers from the last two years in the majors show it; ERAs of 8.15 and 7.77 in 18 starts. Not good.
- Nathan Karns: the beat reporters raved about his performance overall; 2 innings, 3 Ks against a MLB-heavy part of the Mets order. It was great to finally see Karns throw; he has easy arm action, runs the ball in 94-95, and spotted the ball on the corners well. What I didn’t see was anything resembling a quality second pitch. He attempted a number of sliders (I’m guessing sliders; they were generally 84-86, which would be a very hard curve) and he couldn’t get over-top of them at all. He did throw one particular breaking pitch that was sharp and nasty. I didn’t see anything resembling a 3rd or 4th pitch though. Is he destined for the bullpen? That’s not the worst thing in the world; to be the next Ryan Mattheus, a hard-throwing 7th inning right hander.
Now for thoughts on our minor league hitters:
- Eury Perez is, well, really fast. If he turns out to be anything close to a servicable hitter, he’s got leadoff/center fielder written all over him. The question could become; which speedy CF prospect do we hope for more; Perez or Brian Goodwin? Denard Span‘s contract has a convenient option for 2015, just about the time that Goodwin is likely ready for the majors on a full-time basis. Of course, that being said Perez is further along than Goodwin (who likely starts 2013 at AA). Goodwin has power to go with his speed, while Perez seems to have very little power. Which would you prefer to be the longer-term CF solution?
- I like Matt Skole; sweet swing, not overpowered by facing MLB pitching. It makes you wonder about scouting sometimes; how come guys like Skole and Tyler Moore get no love from scouts? Its like a 30-home run minor league guy is somehow a liability. Of course, Skole’s problem is the same as Anthony Rendon‘s; positional blockage at 3B. Yes Skole was playing low-A as a college junior when he hit 27 homers … but if you’ve seen Hagertown’s stadium, you know its a monster park to hit balls out of. 27 homers is no mean feat down there. I’ll be curious to see if Skole can hit with that kind of power at High-A or AA (wherever he starts 2013).
- Chris Marrero has looked pretty good, making good solid contact a number of times. I don’t like his haircut though :-).
- Carlos Rivero is impressing me; he’s playing the outfield (after having played first SS and then 3B in the minors). He has good hands, is a big guy, and seems like he can be a servicable backup utility guy who can fill in at any corner. He’d be more flexible Moore or Chad Tracy in this respect (when judging our projected utility guys) but of course needs to show he can hit at the same levels. Still, he is likely to be a numbers game victim unless someone like Bernadina gets hurt this spring.
Ask Boswell 2/25/13 Edition
With the first couple of Spring Training games in the books, its fitting that Tom Boswell did a Monday morning chat on 2/25/13.
Here’s how I’d have responded to the Baseball-specific questions he took. As always, questions are edited for clarity and I write here before reading his response so as not to “color” my answer.
Q: Given that the Nats know almost every player making the roster out of Spring Training, do the players/coaches approach the 6 weeks differently?
A: Good question; I was taking with someone about this exact topic this weekend. The 25-man roster is essentially already solidifed; perhaps the only question remaining is whether or not Henry Rodriguez makes it onto the team or does the team carry a second lefty reliever (Bill Bray?). So I think the answer has to do with looking more at the AAA talent, looking at minor league FA signings like Micah Owings and Chris Snyder to see if they’re going to be better options than the guys we already had slated at AAA. And the coaching staff gets to look at up-and-coming guys like Anthony Rendon, Zach Walters, and the like. Boswell reiterates what I said here, naming other ML signings of interest like Chris Young, but also says that this ST has a lot of “wasted time.”
Q: I’ve spent the offseason reading Ball Four to help get my baseball fix. Do you have a sense about how different things are now?
A: It has been a while since I read Jim Bouton‘s seminal baseball book Ball Four. But the season he chronicles (1969) happened before a number of rather important moments in Baseball history. Expansion, divisional play, the Designated Hitter, the aftermath of the Curtis Flood and Andy Messersmith decisions (aka, Free Agency) and of course the massive increase of money in the game (both from a revenue stand point and from a player salary stand point). One thing that seems certain to have changed; players can now earn enough in a season to be set financially for life. And, the players union’s power is now such that players have the upper hand in a lot of negotiations with the league and the owners when it comes to labor unions. Boswell notes that managers, coaches and GMs are far “smarter” now than they were in the Bouton era.
Q: How the Nats will do at the gate this year?
A: The season ticket base is back to where it was in 2005 apparently, broaching 20,000 season tickets. The team averaged 29,269 fans last year. Clearly the attendance seems set to rise significantly. I think they’ll average 35,000 a night if they continue to be a first-place club. Boswell agrees, noting that the team also has a couple of very marketable stars to help with attendance.
Q: Other than obvious injuries, are there any things that can happen in the first quarter of the year that you would find to be troubling?
A: I’d be troubled if Danny Espinosa started off slow. I’d also be concerned if we saw significant regression out of our WBC participants Gio Gonzalez and Ross Detwiler, confirming my fears. But the most important factor may be the performance of Dan Haren: is he the 2012 Haren or the 2009 Haren? If he approaches 2009 version, this team may be set for the season. Boswell notes they have a tough early schedule, that winning 98 games is tough, and that we should be patient.
Q: Gio Gonzalez; did he or didn’t he?
A: I think the prevailing opinion in the sport now seems to be that he did NOT take or receive PEDs from the Miami clinic, and that he was an unfortunate bystander. His passing a surprise PED test given two days after the scandal seems to have also bolstered his case. Boswell agrees.
Q: Are the Nats a 98 win team again, or was last year a fluke?
A: Barring a significant injury in the rotation, I think the Nats are easily a 98-win team and perhaps better in 2013. Statistical WAR “proof” offered in this space back in January, and that was before the LaRoche re-signing and the Soriano pickup, both of which marginally should improve the team a few wins. Most national pundits that I’ve read think the same thing, that this team could win 103 games. The various estimator stats out there (Zips, Pecota, etc) the team much closer to 90 wins, but those predictors are by and large incredibly conservative. Boswell also says it comes down to health of the rotation.
Q: How would you rate the Nats starting rotation, spot by spot, compared to the rest of the Major Leagues?
A: Spot by Spot, its hard not to think that each of our guys are each at least in the top 5 by position in the league. Drawing from my Rotational Rankings post from January 7th, 2013, I’d say that:
- Strasburg is clearly among the best arms in the game (in the discussion along with Verlander, Kershaw, and Hernandez). He’s not as accomplished as this group of course, but his talent is unquestionable.
- Gonzalez matches up as a top 5 number two starter (other candidates: Greinke, Hamels, Lincecum or Cain, depending on who you think SF’s “ace” is).
- Zimmermann is traditionally underrated but is at least a top 5 number three starter (along with Scherzer, Johnson/Morrow, Bumgarner, Lee and Moore).
- Haren on potential could be the best number four starter in the game, though Buehrle, Miley, and Lynn could also fit in here.
- Detwiler is often mentioned as being the best number five starter out there, and its hard to find competitors (best options: Zito, Romero, Garcia, and whoever Oakland and St. Louis settle upon for their #5 starters).
Boswell seems worried that these five guys can handle the workload all year, only really trusting Gonzalez in terms of repeatability.
Q: What future do you see for Anthony Rendon, and when will he debut in the majors?
A: I have been of the belief that Zimmerman should move to 1B for Rendon at some point. But with LaRoche signed for two years, that won’t happen for a while (2 years, perhaps 3 if we pick up his 2015 option). So now i’m starting to come around to the the possibility of Rendon pushing someone else off their position. The most likely candidate seems to be Espinosa at 2B. Despite having Lombardozzi on the 25-man, Rendon is a higher-potential player. If Espinosa starts slow, and Rendon starts fast, I could see Rendon getting called up in June and starting to get reps at 2nd while Espinosa goes on the DL for his shoulder. Otherwise, a Sept 1 call-up seems in order. Boswell predicts a post-all star game call-up.
Q: Is there any way the Nats can stop Detwiler and Gio from pitching in that baseball ‘classic’? I see a disaster waiting to happen. Luis Ayala was never the same after getting hurt pitching in that thing.
A: There’s no way legally the team can prevent either guy from pitching, since neither suffered any injuries in 2012. And yes I agree (as discussed in this space on 2/11/13) this is bad news for the Nats. Washington has never had a pitcher play in the WBC who didn’t regress badly, and the stats seem to show that most every pitcher who does participate in the WBC pitches poorly the next two seasons (links in my post). Boswell says cross your fingers.
Q: Do you think Bryce has it in him to be National League mvp?
A: Yes I do. MVP voting generally starts with the “Best Player” on the “Best Teams” and creates a short list from there. It is why it is relatively easy to predict the MVPs. If Washington is the best team in the league and makes the playoffs again, and Bryce Harper has a break out season, it won’t be hard to see him getting serious MVP consideration. Now, let me also say that a “Harper for MVP” prediction is NOT the same as predicting that Harper is set to become the best player in the game. That’s not what the MVP measures. If the question was, “Is Harper set to become the best player in the National League” i’d then say, “No, he’s a few years away from that distinction.” Boswell thinks it may be a bit early.
Q: How many wins per year would you estimate a a stellar defense adds to a teams win total over the course of a season?
A: I’m sure there’s a good statistical answer for this, based on the percentage of WAR added by defense. But it seems like a very difficult answer to come by. Boswell says “a few.”
Q: Any reason to think he’s NOT going to be the GM for a long time? Because I can’t think of many others who have done as good a job in all of baseball.
A: I can see no reason for Rizzo not to be the GM for at least the next 4 years. His next big challenge will be dealing with the inevitable payroll demands of Harper and Strasburg (both of whom project to be $25M players) while also keeping a competitive team on the field. 2017 could be an interesting year for this team; Strasburg projects to hit Free Agency that year, and Harper should be in his 4th arbitration year. They already have Zimmerman and Werth at $14M and $21M respectively in the 2017 year, with possibly another $40-$45M out the door to keep Harper and Strasburg. They better start working on the farm system again. Boswell didn’t really answer the question, just mentioned how Rizzo’s options have yet to be picked up.
Q: How is Ramos looking thus far? 100%? Suzuki is a professional and seems to be a good guy, do you get a feel for how well he and Ramos interact? How great would it be to generate some power/runs from the catcher spot this year.
A: I’ve been assuming that the catcher job is Suzuki‘s to lose for now; its still early but no word has come out negatively on Ramos‘ recovery. Either way, yes it would be nice to get some production out of the #8 hole. Suzuki was pretty good after he came over here, but Ramos healthy was a middle-of-the-order bat. Boswell suggests that Ramos stop blocking the plate.
Q: If Rendon tears it up after September call-up, what does the Nats 2014 infield look like?
A: Wow; hard not to say Rendon replaces Espinosa like-for-like right now. But, just as Desmond broke out in his 3rd full time season, so could Espinosa. It could make for a log jam. Lets hope for the best, hope for a rebound Espinosa season and a good-problem-to-have situation of having to trade a strength to make way for another strength. Boswell has no idea where Rendon will play if he merits a call-up.
Q: I think the Nats, and Danny Espinosa are whistling past the graveyard if they think a completely torn left rotator cuff will not seriously affect Danny’s play. Your take?
A: A fair assessment. I too believe a torn rotator cuff absolutely has to be affecting his swing, especially from the right side. I think Espinosa should have gotten the thing surgically repaired in the off-season. I wonder how much the team knew of the injury, because when it was reported in the off-season it sure seemed like a surprise. Boswell says its a concern and that Espinosa should take more days off.
Q: Is McCatty working with Strasburg on correcting his inverted W delivery? Strasburg also has footstrike issues, as he tends to plant his foot and then whip his arm, which puts a ton of strain on his shoulder. I’m concerned if he doesn’t correct this, his shoulder will give out this season or next. Are the Nats worried about this? Are they working on cleaning up his delivery at all?
A: I’m beginning to think that this whole “Inverted W” thing is a bunch of BS. Keith Law stated as much when prompted in a chat recently; he says that the problem with the Inverted W theory is that its difficult to “state” with authority that certain pitchers do or don’t have the phenomena. And its true; if you see some shots of Strasburg he has it, in others his arms are more bent behind his back. Its the same with Gio Gonzalez (I can show you stills of him landing with his arms clearly in an “inverted W” position and you don’t hear anyone talking about Gonzalez’s mechanics. The leading inverted-W site on the internet (Chris O’Leary‘s page linked here) uses an opportunisitic example set of pitchers with that motion, but I can find plenty of examples of guys who have similar mechanics but zero soft-tissue injury history (on the Nats two quick examples are Drew Storen and Craig Stammen). Meanwhile one of his examples was John Smoltz … who only threw 3400 MLB innings in his career and basically didn’t miss a start until he was 32. Not the best example of proof that his mechanics were somehow “awful.” I think the entire phenomenon is an observation of coincidence, that pitchers get injuries all the time no matter what their mechanics, and that we need to move onwards. Wow; Boswell thinks exactly what i think; these proofs are nonesense.
Ladson’s Inbox 2/5/13
Hey, what great timing for another Bill Ladson inbox (posted 2/5/13). Baseball news is light, pitchers and catchers report in a week or so, and I’m not quite ready to continue my Stats series.
As always, I write my answer before reading his, and sometimes edit questions for clarity:
Q: Do you think general manager Mike Rizzo will add starting pitching depth before Opening Day? Does the lingering possibility of a Gio Gonzalez suspension change whom the Nationals would consider acquiring?
A: In Ladson’s 1/22/13 mailbag, some one asked what could prevent the Nats as constructed from winning the World Series in 2013. I answered Rotation Injuries and Luck. Well, in the wake of the Miami PED scandal, I guess the third answer may be “PED scandal.”
This is a tough question to answer; Gio Gonzalez has denied the rumors, but the newspaper in question (the Miami New Times) clearly only named Gonzalez because they felt like the evidence they had in hand was irrefutable. Many other players have not been named. So as a GM; how do you go about preparing for 2013 at this point? If Mike Rizzo knows that Gonzalez is getting suspended, you have to think he’s on the horn to his buddy Scott Boras about possibly buying Kyle Lohse, which is clearly the best remaining FA starter. But Lohse isn’t coming cheap, and likely isn’t coming on a one year deal, and would cost another draft pick (I believe). The Nats are already topping $120M in payroll; would they go to $135M?
If we think Gio at least gets a pass and the suspension is put off, maybe Rizzo’s recent activities of signing random starters to minor league contracts is going to be sufficient.
Ladson mentions Javier Vazquez and the ever-present rumors of Christian Garcia going to the rotation as possible Gonzalez replacements if he gets suspended quickly. Probably fair; Vazquez may be a great, cheap alternative.
Q: Everyone is saying that it’s going to be a two-team race in the National League East between the Nationals and Braves. Do you think the Phillies have a shot to contend with both these teams, or is their time done?
A: Boy, its hard to look at the aging, expensive Phillies lineup they had in place in 2012, which suffered injuries and setbacks and creaked their way to a .500 record, and then look at the highly questionable slew of acquisitions and signings this off season (Ben Revere, John Lannan, Michael Young, Delmon Young and everyone’s favorite anti-gay advocate Yuniesky Betancourt) and not, well, giggle at where this team is going. My favorite baseball joke from the off-season goes like this: “The Phillies wanted to get Younger this off-season, so they signed Michael Young and Delmon Young.”
The two Youngs were both negative WAR players last year, Lannan is a 5th starter, Revere was a backup centerfielder who the Phillies traded some decent assets for, and Betancourt is who he is (though admittedly he’s on a minor league deal and seems at best set to be a utility infielder behind starters Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley). I see the Phillies being a very bad defensive team with the two Youngs in the starting lineup, I see some serious questions in the back side of the rotation, and I see continued regression and louder complaints about Ryan Howard‘s contract. Fun times a-coming in Philadelphia. Ladson actually says that the Phillies will “be improved with Michael Young.” Bill! Have you seen Young’s WAR figures from 2012?? He was a NEGATIVE WAR player at both major War sites. That means he makes your team worse! Now, he was completely servicable in 2011 … so if you want to make the argument to me that 2012 was an aberration for an aging hitter playing in a hitter’s park, well I guess that’s a stance you can take. But pretty much every other pundit in the blogosphere has loudly criticized the Philadelphia moves this off-season.
Q: What is the status of Lucas Giolito? When do you see him pitching in D.C.?
A: Tommy John surgery in Late August (I can’t remember the exact date; it was 8/24/12 when I posted this highly-critical article about Lucas Giolito and the situation), so figuring a typical 12-month rehab session before he’s actively throwing again in pro-games basically puts him at the end of the 2013 minor league season. Which means he’ll be 20 before he really is ready to start his pro career in the spring of 2014. Figure 4-5 years average case for typical high schoolers to work their way up the systems (perhaps fewer years given his talents and pedigree, as we’ve seen with someone like Dylan Bundy in 2012, who made his way from low-A to AA in his first pro season out of HS and got a late Sept callup to the majors) and we’re probably looking at 2016-2017 before seeing him in the majors. If, of course, he recovers from surgery, hasn’t destroyed his mechanics, is effective, matures, doesn’t get re-injured, or any of the million other pitfalls that typically befall high school arms drafted in the upper rounds. Ladson thinks he’s pitching pro games “after the all-star break” and is in the majors in 3 years. Wow. That is optimistic.
Q: How do you think Henry Rodriguez will do? And what do you think his role in the bullpen will be?
A: I am, and always have been, pessimistic on Henry Rodriguez. I hated the Willingham trade that got him here. He’s forced the team to invent injuries to stash him on the DL coming out of spring training b/c he has no options. He led the league in wild pitches in 2011 in just 65 innings. He had a 69 ERA+ in 2012. At some point when does the team say, “OK, its nice that he throws 100mph. But enough is enough; we need a reliable pitcher who can deliver when called upon.” Perhaps Spring Training 2013 is that time.
What do I think his role will be? I’m sure he’ll look great in Spring Training again, will break camp with the team, and very well may look halfway decent for a while. But just like every other season, he’s going to have those 3-walk outings where he pitches a 1/3 of an inning and gives up 4 runs, and then the manager will be afraid to use him unless the team has a 5-run lead. And eventually we’ll call up Garcia to replace him and move on. That’s my prediction for Rodriguez. Ladson says the team should “attempt to trade him if he is not impressive this spring.” Wow, that’s sage advice; if only every team could trade its under-performing players and actually get value back whenever it wanted.
Q: Can you predict Washington’s Opening Day lineup if all available players are healthy?
A: Easy. I’ll even predict the batting order. Span-Werth-Harper-Zimmerman-LaRoche-Desmond-Espinosa-Suzuki-Strasburg. Ladson predicts the same names but in a lineup order that makes no sense from a lefty-righty balance perspective.
Q: After announcing his retirement, do you think Brian Schneider is a possible candidate to replace Johnson as manager of the Nationals?
A: Wow, yet another speculative question about the future Nationals Manager. He took a question about the manager on 1/28/13, and on 1/22/13. And on 1/14/13. I guess people like speculating on the Nats next manager. Not repeating what i’ve said on the topic before, is Brian Schneider a candidate? Why would he possibly be a candidate to manage the major league team of a system he left 5 years ago? Why would the Nats pick a manager who’s never managed a day in his life? Ladson breathes some common sense on this one.
Q: I think Garcia has to be on the Opening Day roster, so is he in the bullpen or someplace else? Can the 25-man roster accommodate him and all the other pitchers?
A: “Someplace else?” Like where? In the outfield? I like Garcia too, but the team has a numbers problem in the bullpen. Storen, Clippard, Mattheus, and Stammen have all more than earned their spots. Soriano is being paid a ton of money. Duke is guaranteed a spot (he’s the only lefty and he’s got enough service time to refuse a demotion). Oh, and Rodriguez has no options. So there’s your 7-man bullpen. Notice there’s only one left-hander out there; if you believe that you need left-handers to get left-handed batters out, then the bullpen needs to sacrifice one of the righties in order to have a second lefty (Bill Bray?) in there.
The only way I see Garcia making this bullpen is if the team runs out of patience with Rodriguez and DFAs/DLs him, or if the team trades away one of their closer-quality surplus guys, or if maybe someone like Mattheus/Stammen (both of whom do have options) struggles or gets hurt. Otherwise look for Garcia to get stretched out and get looks as a starter in AAA. Ladson says he’s confident Garcia is on the 25-man roster …. ok explain it to me then based on the above paragraph. Who is he replacing?
Verducci effect for 2013 announced
SI sportswriter Tom Verducci published his 2013 iteration of the “Verducci Effect” article this week, and our own Stephen Strasburg is on his watch list.
The questions we’ll address in this article are these: Should we be worried as Nats fans about Strasburg? And, do you even believe in the Verducci effect?
Cutting and pasting from his article, here’s the Verducci Effect defined (or the “Year-After Effect” as he calls it, so as humbly not to refer to the theory by his own name as the rest of us do):
The Year-After Effect, as I called the risk after a big innings jumps, is not a scientific, predictive system. It’s a rule of thumb to identify pitchers who may be at risk because of a sharp increase in workload. The older the pitcher, the bigger the body type and the closer to the 30-inning threshold is their increase, the less they seem to be at risk.
Of importance here is his own admission; this is a “rule of thumb,” not a scientific analysis, he limits his candidates to pitchers age 25 or younger, and he picks players instead of doing an across-the-board analysis of all eligible players (this is important as we talk about whether the effect is statistically supported). He identified 14 such players in his 2012 iteration of this analysis and 9 of them suffered injuries or “significant regression.” He has a similar track record in his previous years; of the 69 pitchers he’s identified in the last 7 years as being at risk, 55 of them have now suffered injury/posted significantly worse ERAs. That’s about an 80% succeessful prediction clip.
Strasburg pitched 68 MLB innings and another 55 1/3 in the minors for a total of 123 1/3 2010 innings. He threw 159 1/3 in 2012, for a total increase of 36 innings from his previous professional high, or a 22.6% increase. Generally speaking Verducci’s threshold is in the 15-20% range. Strasburg isn’t the most “at-risk” pitcher on the list; that would be Chicago’s Chris Sale, who amazingly threw 121 more innings in 2012 than he ever had before, being converted from the bullpen to a starter last year. But Strasburg definitely increased his workload in 2012, and he’s likely to be increasing it again in 2013, with no stated limit on innings for the coming season. If he averages the same number of innings per start this year as he did last year (5.69) he’ll end up with roughly 187 2/3 innings in 2013, which would be another 15% increase over his previous career high. Most likely we’ll see him averaging closer to 6ip per outing, which would put him at about 200 innings and representing another 20% increase in innings.
Do we think this is dangerous territory? Should we be worried? All signs point to “No;” there’s not a person in the baseball world who would claim that the Nats have been anything but ultra-conservative with Strasburg since the moment he was signed. His surgery, his recovery, and especially the heavily criticized “shut-down” in September of last year. The team chose to be less competitive in the short term in order to attempt to be a better, stronger team in the long term. Given his gradual ramping up of innings and his carefully managed recovery, I expect to see a similar season that Jordan Zimmermann just gave, two years removed from the same surgery. No injuries, a strong season but with some evident fatigue at season’s end.
A better question may be this: does the Verducci effect actually exist?
This January 2012 Deadspin.com article pretty nicely summarizes all the criticisms associated with the effect. A few more links are in this article at AmazingAvenue. This study done by The Hardball Times that looked at ALL pitchers age 25 or younger, divided the pitchers into two groups (those who did and did not throw 30 more innings and thus usually qualify for Verducci analysis) and studied the results. They found that the overall performance didn’t seem to be different between the two groups.
So, if the effect doesn’t exist, why does Verducci have an 80% prediction success rate? If the statistical differences between the two groups are identical, then why isn’t Verducci’s prediction rate closer to 50%?
The answer lies in the following statement: Verducci’s articles don’t present themselves to be a macro statistical analysis, and they doesn’t approach the problem in the same way that statisticians do. Instead, he finds candidates that qualify and then passes judgement based on his professional opinion about whether they’re a “watch candidate.” Which I think is a perfectly fine way to do an analysis piece like this. Of the 11 pitchers he selected this year, 4 are from 2012 playoff teams, another 2 are from teams in the ultra-competitive AL East, and 2 more experienced such extremely high jumps in innings that even a non-statistical observation would conclude they’re injury risks for 2013. I don’t think this kind of analysis is unreasonable frankly. He clearly “cherry picked” these candidates but for good reason; they were for the most part either severely driven or were pitching a lot of higher-than-average leverage innings for the bulk of the year, all the while throwing deeper into seasons than ever before.
Its a combination of statistics and opinion; most critics of the theory use 100% statistics to claim that the effect doesn’t exist. But that’s the rub that I keep coming back to when talking about the use of statistics in baseball; human behavior (aka, baseball players) doesn’t operate on a spreadsheet, and statistics cannot and will not entirely predict all situations in the future. You can’t just say that the effect doesn’t exist because you can’t prove it exists statistically. In this case, there’s clearly an analysis/opinion portion of the effect that takes into consideration immeasurable factors that (in Verducci’s opinion) lead to more stress and a higher probability of injury. Plus, Verducci admits that “body type” and age do factor into his opinion; meaning that a guy with a big body (and by inference he likely means that a bigger body that takes stress off the shoulder) is more likely to be able to weather a larger workload. Roger Clemens versus Tim Lincecum. I’d also assume he’s looking at mechanics along the way (and Verducci is on record for being critical of Strasburg’s mechanics, as I discussed in this March 2011 post). Statistics can’t measure mechanics, or body type, clearly portions of Verducci’s analysis.
Let me put it a different way: would anyone be the slightest bit surprised to see Sale come down with a shoulder injury in 2013? I certainly would not. And that’s the essence of the article, to provide a baseball opinion, and one of the reasons I still put stock into it while others waste time trying to disprove it.
Lets just hope Strasburg is one of the 20% he’s wrong about…
Ladson’s inbox 1/22/13
I love a diversion. Bill Ladson’s inbox is always a diversion. Here’s 1/22/13’s edition.
Q: Why do the Nationals need another closer in Rafael Soriano?
A: My posted opinion about the deal from 1/15/13. Did they “need” another closer? Probably not. But, innings sent to Rafael Soriano cascades downwards and means that innings that would be given to lesser relievers will now be pitched by Clippard and Storen (assuming one of them isn’t moved of course), and overall the bullpen is improved. I wonder if Ted Lerner didn’t pull a George Steinbrenner/Dan Snyder-esque move and force a player signing as a reaction to a singular event (aka Storen’s NLDS game 5 meltdown). Its possible I suppose. If so, you hate to see moves like this, because it undermines the GM and leads to poorly constructed rosters. Ladson belives this is a reactionary move to the NLDS bullpen meltdown in total, not just Storen’s misfortunes.
Q: It seems like Washington takes all of Scott Boras’ clients and puts them on its roster.
A: I hate this Urban Myth that now pervades anyone’s analysis every time the Nats sign a Scott Boras client. Check the proof: MLBtraderumors keeps a player agent database and guess what? The Nats don’t even have the most clients of Boras. The Nats have 7 Boras clients but Boston has 8. Plus, three of the 7 Boras clients the Nats have were no-brainer 1st round draft picks (Harper, Strasburg and Rendon, and you could even argue a 4th such Boras pick in Goodwin that the team would have taken at that point in the draft irrespective of his representation) that the team was likely going to draft and sign no matter who represented them. The fact is this: the Nats have become a premier FA destination, Boras represents a lot of good players on the FA, and the Nats have hired some of his players. When Boston or Texas hires a Boras client, you don’t suddenly hear people sarcastically asking, “Does Boras run the Red Sox?” now do you? I think its great that Rizzo and Boras have a good working relationship, because other teams/GMs do not, and it affects the quality of their teams as a result. Ladson defends my point as well, saying similar things to what I’ve pointed out.
Q: Does the Nationals’ front office regret not making Edwin Jackson a qualifying offer? It seems he would have signed elsewhere and the Nats would have received a compensation pick that would help the farm system.
A: Great Question! One I asked in this space myself on 11/5/12. I honestly think the team believed that Edwin Jackson, who had a history of signing one year deals, would have taken the contract. Either that or there was a hand-shake deal in place stating that the team wouldn’t extend the offer. I don’t truly believe the latter part of this, because (as others have pointed out) it’d be illegal as per the latest CBA. Either way, I thought it was a mistake at the time and the Nats indeed missed the opportunity to gain an extra pick. Ladson believes point #1; he thinks the team was afraid that Jackson would take the deal.
Q: If there was one thing that could hold the Nationals back from winning the World Series this year, what would it be?
A: I’ll give you two things that could prevent the team from winning. 1) Injuries in our Rotation and 2) bad luck. We’re very thin in terms of starters and a season-ending injury to one of our big names would be a bad impediment. And, the playoffs are crap-shoots; 83 win teams (St. Louis in 2006) can get hot and win it all while 116 win teams (Seattle in 2001) get beat easily before ever getting to the World Series. That being said, even a starter injury probably wouldn’t be fatal to this team’s chances of making the playoffs; the Mets and Marlins are moving backwards, the Braves seem to be treading water, and the Phillies are getting older by the day. The division is there for the taking even without winning 98 games again. Ladson says injuries.
Q: Is it true that the Nationals are interested in Kyle Lohse and plan to put Ross Detwiler in the bullpen?
A: Man, I hope not. I like Kyle Lohse but there’s a reason he’s still on the FA market despite a TON of teams needing pitching help (and it isn’t just because of the lost draft pick). He’s really not THAT good. He had (easily) his best season last year, the definition of a contract year if there ever was one. Career 98 ERA+. I think he’s a good fit for a team that needs a 3rd starter, but the Nats aren’t that team. I made my arguments for keeping Ross Detwiler in the rotation on 1/16/13, when rumors swirled about the team looking at Javier Vazquez. Who would you rather roll the dice with? A young, up and coming power lefty or a soft-tossing righty who’ll be 34 next year? I think buying another $12M/year starter and pushing Detwiler to the bullpen just for the reason of “needing another lefty” in the bullpen is arbitrary and would be a waste of Detwiler’s promising 2012. Ladson agrees, saying that Davey Johnson likes Detwiler in the rotation.
Q: Would Mark DeRosa be a viable managerial candidate for the Nationals in 2014?
A: Random question. What makes you think Mark DeRosa won’t still be playing in 2014? Plus, what ties does he have to this organization that would make you think that the Nats think he’s the heir apparent? I mean, if we’re talking about former players who have put in the time with this organization, look no further than Matt LeCroy, who played for the team and has been managing in our minor league system for years. Personally, I think the team will go with a “celebrity manager” when the time comes. Ladson expresses some surprise at the question as well.
Q: After he was acquired from the Athletics for Michael Morse, where does A.J. Cole fall on the Nationals’ list of prospects?
A: I’d say he’s probably 3rd in line, after Rendon and Goodwin. That’s about where he was when he was still in the system, and despite his rough 2012 in the California league he’s still very promising. Ladson says 3rd, as does mlb.com’s rankings for the team.
Q: What did you think of what the Nationals received for Morse? Could they have gotten more — a Major League lefty reliever in addition to a starting prospect? Is the problem that Morse only had a total of two good seasons?
A: I think the Nats got what they could for Morse, frankly. I would have liked to have seen a MLB lefty and a starting pitcher prospect in the lower-to mid minors. Lots of people were using the Josh Willingham trade as a comp; both players are similar (both are good offense, no defense type guys in the last year of an affordable contract). Willingham netted us a mlb reliever and a high-minors OF prospect. However Morse’s defensive inabilities preceed him reputationally, and many scouts perceive his 2011 as a one-off instead of a ceiling of potential. Ladson says they made a great deal.
Soriano? Well at least its Rafael and not Alfonso
Jeff Passan broke the news, which I found out about only by chance late Tuesday afternoon (silly me, trying to do “work” or something). Rafael Soriano to the Nats on a 2yr/$28M deal with a third option year that only vests with a relatively unattainable 120 “games finished” plateau reached.
Wow. Did not see this coming.
Was this a reaction move to Drew Storen‘s meltdown in the 9th inning of NLCS game 5? Adam Kilgore is reporting that the Nats owner Ted Lerner was “heavily involved” in the transaction, likely because of the amount of money involved and perhaps as a sign of the 2013 mandate to win it all.
Two quick reactions from a roster management perspective:
- First off, we can call off the need for lefty relievers. Soriano’s so good against both righties and lefties that he can be the Loogy. 🙂
- Secondly, I’m guessing that either Tyler Clippard or Drew Storen is officially on the block. The team certainly could have made the argument that they had too many right handed, back of the rotation candidates BEFORE today. Now they’ve got three closer-quality arms but only one closer job. And clearly Soriano is going to be the closer. If you look at his career stats, when he’s closing he’s lights out. 185 ERA+ last year for New York, a 237 ERA+ as Tampa’s closer in 2010. Clippard and Storen are good, but they’re not that good. One or the other is likely traded now, so as to clear a log-jam of RH arms in the pen. They *could* send down guys like Stammen or Storen (they have options available) but they’re too good to make way. More likely is a trade.
New Look 2013 bullpen: Soriano closing, Clippard or Storen setting up, Henry Rodriguez and Mattheus in 7th inning roles, Duke as loogy/long-man, Stammen as 6th-7th inning/long man and Bray as the loogy. Or perhaps Garcia makes the team while Bray pitches in AAA waiting for an injury. Or perhaps Clippard and Storen both stay, and both Bray and Garcia start in AAA. Or perhaps Clippard or Storen get packaged with Morse to bring back (as we’ve been saying for a while) both a lefty reliever AND some prospect depth.
I can see the blogosphere criticizing this deal for three reasons.
- That’s a lot of money for a closer (I think it makes him the highest paid closer in the game), and the deal is surprising in that Soriano now will easily earn more than the rest of the bullpen combined, a stark departure from Mike Rizzo‘s parsimonious methods of building bullpens lately.
- Yet another Scott Boras client for the Nats. By my count that’s now seven Boras clients in the Nats system and five on the MLB roster (others: Espinosa, Werth, Goodwin, Harper, Rendon, Strasburg). I hate the lazy narrative that Rizzo is somehow Boras’ b*tch, but we’re about to hear it again. Check the agent database: yes we have a lot of his clients but so does Texas (7), Boston (8), Kansas City (6) and Detroit (6). Boras just has a lot of good players, and the Nats are a good team where players want to come to play.
- This costs the Nats their 2013 first round pick. It wasn’t nearly as high a leverage pick as before (#33 overall with a couple of compensation picks pushing it down from the #30 spot as last year’s best record would have indicated). I’m sure the argument will be that Soriano > back-of-the first round pick.
$14M for a closer is a lot of money. But hey, its not my money. If we weren’t sure of it before, the Nats are now *really* officially saying that they’re going for it in 2013. I’ll have to re-do both the salary and the WAR worksheets when I get some time to see how this factors in.