{"id":2136,"date":"2011-08-07T09:56:09","date_gmt":"2011-08-07T13:56:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=2136"},"modified":"2012-10-11T13:24:43","modified_gmt":"2012-10-11T17:24:43","slug":"debate-was-jimmy-rollins-steal-against-baseballs-unwritten-rules","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=2136","title":{"rendered":"Debate: Was Jimmy Rollins&#8217; steal against Baseball&#8217;s &#8220;Unwritten Rules?&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_2137\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/rollinsjimmy_steals-Thearon-W.-HendersonGetty-Images.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2137\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-2137\" title=\"120352516\" src=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/rollinsjimmy_steals-Thearon-W.-HendersonGetty-Images-300x202.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"202\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/rollinsjimmy_steals-Thearon-W.-HendersonGetty-Images-300x202.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/rollinsjimmy_steals-Thearon-W.-HendersonGetty-Images.jpg 660w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2137\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jimmy Rollins steals lots of bases: did he steal one too many vs the Giants friday night?  Photo: Thearon Henderson\/Getty Images<\/p><\/div>\n<p>(editor&#8217;s note: this post started with an email conversation amongst friends, where the Phillies fan amongst us didn&#8217;t think Rollin&#8217;s steal was &#8220;bad baseball.&#8221;)<\/p>\n<p>The Giants and Phillies <a href=\"http:\/\/sports.yahoo.com\/mlb\/recap?gid=310805126\">mixed it up<\/a> in Friday 8\/5&#8217;s game, a 9-2 victory (<a href=\"http:\/\/sports.yahoo.com\/mlb\/boxscore;_ylt=Agd8Sm6Ynq0Xa14GKEPGJEm4u7YF?gid=310805126\">box\/gamer<\/a>) for Philadelphia that featured some &#8220;unwritten rule&#8221; discussion over the actions of <strong>Jimmy Rollins<\/strong> and subsequently Giant&#8217;s reliever <strong>Ramon Ramirez<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Here was the situation: the Phillies had just scored 2 runs to extend their lead to 8-2 in the top of the 6th inning.\u00a0 The Giant&#8217;s starter <strong>Jonathan Sanchez<\/strong> had been knocked out of the game, and reliever Ramirez gave up a 2-run scoring single to Rollins.\u00a0 Rollins promptly stole second base, and the next pitch plunked batter <strong>Shane Victorino<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Honestly, I believe it was a deserving retaliation by Ramirez and\/or the Giants.\u00a0 Stealing with a     lead is a sliding scale; had Rollins done it in the 2nd inning with a 3-run lead it     wouldn&#8217;t have gone punished, but the 6th is iffy with a 6 run lead.\u00a0 Essentially, when     the game appears to be out of reach, major leaguers have a tendency     to just &#8220;play out the string&#8221; and expect this &#8220;conceding behavior&#8221;     to be matched by the winning team.\u00a0 Having been on both sides of     many blowouts, there&#8217;s definitively a list of things you don&#8217;t do     with a massive lead.\u00a0 Steals and bunts are definitely out.\u00a0 Curtailing     aggressive play (taking extra bases, take-out slides, etc), swinging     at 3-0 pitches and swinging out of your ass trying to hit homers are     all examples of no-nos.\u00a0 Certainly admiring homers and showing up a     pitcher is a no-no, at nearly any point in the game (the Weaver     incident earlier this week).<\/p>\n<p>My Phillies friend apologist countered that the game was still close enough, that the Giants still had 4 at-bats, and the steal (though borderline) was justified.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s some stats on the Giant&#8217;s offense and their capabilities of coming back, courtesy of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/play-index\/inning_summary.cgi?year_game=2011&amp;team_id=SFG#gotresults&amp;year=2011&amp;team_id=SFG&amp;ajax=1&amp;submitter=1\">baseball-reference.com<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The Giants are 0-8 when giving up 8 or more runs in a game.<\/li>\n<li>They&#8217;re 12-26 when trailing after the 5th, no matter how many runs they&#8217;re     down.\u00a0 And,<\/li>\n<li>The largest comeback they&#8217;ve had all season in being behind 4     runs.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I&#8217;d like to find some stats on how often baseball teams make up X-run leads, but my google skills are failing me.\u00a0 I&#8217;m pretty certain though that the likelihood of making up 6 run deficits is pretty slim.\u00a0 <strong>Tom Boswell<\/strong> has done research that shows that about half of all baseball victories feature more runs scored by the winning team in ONE inning than the loser scores the entire game (his &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/discussion\/2010\/05\/20\/DI2010052003182.html\">Big Bang<\/a>&#8221; theory, based on his own research).\u00a0 Sure enough, the Phillies scored more runs in the 5th inning (four) than the Giants did the entire game (two).<\/p>\n<p>For me, the play was bush league, broke the unwritten rules of showing up your competitors and\/or running up the score, and the retaliation was not only deserved but expected.<\/p>\n<p>What do you think?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(editor&#8217;s note: this post started with an email conversation amongst friends, where the Phillies fan amongst us didn&#8217;t think Rollin&#8217;s steal was &#8220;bad baseball.&#8221;) The Giants and Phillies mixed it up in Friday 8\/5&#8217;s game, a 9-2 victory (box\/gamer) for Philadelphia that featured some &#8220;unwritten rule&#8221; discussion over the actions of Jimmy Rollins and subsequently [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[513,320,1141,1142,125],"class_list":["post-2136","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-nonnatsbaseball","tag-jimmy-rollins","tag-jonathan-sanchez","tag-ramon-ramirez","tag-shane-victorino","tag-tom-boswell"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2136","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2136"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2136\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4924,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2136\/revisions\/4924"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2136"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2136"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2136"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}