{"id":7878,"date":"2013-12-26T12:03:08","date_gmt":"2013-12-26T17:03:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=7878"},"modified":"2013-12-26T12:03:08","modified_gmt":"2013-12-26T17:03:08","slug":"2014-hall-of-fame-ballot-obligatory-post","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=7878","title":{"rendered":"2014 Hall of Fame Ballot Obligatory Post"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_3611\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/morrisjack-0170709371-John-IaconoSI-via-si.com_.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3611\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-3611\" alt=\"Its Morris' 15th year; its now or never.  Photo John Iacono via si.com\" src=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/morrisjack-0170709371-John-IaconoSI-via-si.com_-150x150.jpg\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-3611\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Its Morris&#8217; 15th year; its now or never. Photo John Iacono via si.com<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Before starting, if you hadn&#8217;t heard Deadspin has bought a Hall of Fame vote this year and is going to submit it as populated by crowd sourcing. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/deadspin.com\/who-should-be-in-the-baseball-hall-of-fame-vote-now-1476310675\">Click on this link<\/a> to go to Deadspin.com&#8217;s page to vote. \u00a0Voting at deadspin ends on 12\/28\/13 and all hall of fame ballots are due to be mailed back to the BBWAA by 12\/31\/13. \u00a0The class of 2014 will be announced later in January.<\/p>\n<p>Everyone else has a post about how they&#8217;d vote if they had a BBWAA ballot. \u00a0Here&#8217;s mine. \u00a0Only its slightly different from how i&#8217;ve done these in the past.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Joe Posnanski<\/strong>\u00a0has put out a survey in October 2013 that anyone can take that simply asks you to <a href=\"http:\/\/joeposnanski.blogspot.com\/2013\/10\/ranking-hall-ballot-results-edition.html\">rank the 2014 candidates 1-10<\/a>. \u00a0It is an interesting exercise because it very quickly highlights the depth of the ballot, since\u00a0as everyone knows, there are many very deserving candidates who are outside the top 10 and who may very well fall off the ballot this year because of the glut of candidates. \u00a0It also makes you think; if you rank your candidates 1 to 10 &#8230; how many names would you be leaving off your ballot that you&#8217;d want to vote for?<\/p>\n<p>So, instead of doing a &#8220;who&#8217;s on\/who&#8217;s off&#8221; post like i&#8217;ve done in years past (and like everyone else does) here&#8217;s a different take driven by Posnanski&#8217;s ranking question.<\/p>\n<p>My first 8 &#8220;Yes Votes&#8221; were relatively easy: <strong>Maddux, Bonds, Clemens, Thomas, McGwire, Bagwell, Glavine, Piazza<\/strong>. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s one of those 8 candidates who shouldn&#8217;t be a slam dunk hall-of-famer based on baseball accomplishments. \u00a0 (That most all of them likely do not get in because of PED suspicions is another story). \u00a0The only one of my top 8 that doesn&#8217;t match with Posnanski&#8217;s survey results is McGwire (replace him with <strong>Raines<\/strong>, everyone&#8217;s favorite\u00a0<strong>Bert Blyleven<\/strong>-style charity case for getting more support).<\/p>\n<p>Then I got stuck. \u00a0Who were the last 2 I&#8217;d put on the ballot? \u00a0Lets look at the rest of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/awards\/hof_2014.shtml\">2014 ballot<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Voting No altogether: <strong>Walker, McGriff, Palmeiro, Smith, Sosa<\/strong> and anyone else new to the ballot this year not otherwise mentioned. \u00a0Why are these No votes? \u00a0See 2012 and 2013&#8217;s links for my reasoning on the 5 names here, all of whom are repeats.<\/li>\n<li>Remaining Pitchers in order that I&#8217;d likely vote them in: <strong>Schilling, Morris, Mussina<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Remaining Hitters in the order that I&#8217;d likely vote them in: <strong>Raines, Martinez, Kent, Biggio, Trammell<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So I guess my last two would likely be Schilling and Raines, or perhaps Raines and Martinez.<\/p>\n<p>Man, tough ballot this year.<\/p>\n<p>If there wasn&#8217;t a 10-person limit, then I&#8217;d go crazy and probably vote for 16 candidates, basically the first 8 plus all the other &#8220;remaining&#8221; players above. \u00a0 I&#8217;m by no means a &#8220;small hall&#8221; person, and I&#8217;m also not obsessed with the stat-driven arguments against Morris. \u00a0I think all these guys merit a plaque in Cooperstown.<\/p>\n<p>Coincidentally, to all those people who write 1,000 words on all the things the BBWAA should do to fix the congestion issue (expand beyond 10 names, remove the 5% threshold), just stop wasting your time. \u00a0Year after year the BBWAA stays in the news for weeks at a time exactly because they refuse to change the standards. \u00a0Why would they relent now?<\/p>\n<p>If you want to read how I&#8217;ve weighed in on the Hall votes in year&#8217;s past, here&#8217;s some links:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Jan 2013: A huge post on how players from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=5703\">1980s are under-represented<\/a> in the Hall (a favorite post of mine)<\/li>\n<li>2013 Class: post on\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=5352\">who I&#8217;d vote for<\/a>\u00a0with my imaginary ballot.<\/li>\n<li>December 2012\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=5302\">post on\u00a0<strong>Jack Morris<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0and what the Hall of Fame really &#8220;means&#8221; (another favorite post of mine).<\/li>\n<li>Feb 2012: a post on\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=3796\">what it really means<\/a>\u00a0to be &#8220;In&#8221; the Hall of Fame.<\/li>\n<li>2012 Class: post on\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=3096\">who I&#8217;d vote for<\/a>\u00a0with my imaginary ballot.<\/li>\n<li>2011 Class: post on\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=533\">who I&#8217;d vote for<\/a>\u00a0with my imaginary ballot.<\/li>\n<li>Dec 2010\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=403\">post on on Blyleven<\/a>\u00a0in response\/ahead of his eventual enshrinement.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>And lastly, I have a huge draft post dated from Dec 2011 with pictures from my actual visit to the Hall of Fame that I started but never finished (mostly because adding pictures to WordPress is a huge pain in the *ss). \u00a0Maybe I&#8217;ll get bored, finish it up and post that in conjunction with the 2014 class announcement.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Before starting, if you hadn&#8217;t heard Deadspin has bought a Hall of Fame vote this year and is going to submit it as populated by crowd sourcing. \u00a0Click on this link to go to Deadspin.com&#8217;s page to vote. \u00a0Voting at deadspin ends on 12\/28\/13 and all hall of fame ballots are due to be mailed [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1390],"tags":[1118,596,572,639,638,606,1081,644,120,575,576,1082,396,655,647,667,1083,636,646,637,501,573,169],"class_list":["post-7878","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-hall-of-fame","tag-alan-trammell","tag-barry-bonds","tag-bert-blyleven","tag-craig-biggio","tag-curt-schilling","tag-edgar-martinez","tag-frank-thomas","tag-fred-mcgriff","tag-greg-maddux","tag-jack-morris","tag-jeff-bagwell","tag-jeff-kent","tag-joe-posnanski","tag-larry-walker","tag-lee-smith","tag-mark-mcgwire","tag-mike-mussina","tag-mike-piazza","tag-rafael-palmeiro","tag-roger-clemens","tag-sammy-sosa","tag-tim-raines","tag-tom-glavine"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7878","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7878"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7878\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8376,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7878\/revisions\/8376"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7878"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7878"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7878"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}